Comments on: Firefox and Internet Explorer http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/ Handmade Software Experiences Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:57:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Eric LeVine http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45948 Eric LeVine Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:33:59 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45948 Hmm, wasn't there something from Microsoft that roamed favorites? Oh yeah, MSN Explorer... Hmm, wasn’t there something from Microsoft that roamed favorites? Oh yeah, MSN Explorer…

]]> By: Hillel http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45861 Hillel Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:08:41 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45861 I really appreciate all the comments... On Session Restore: With all due respect, I don't think "it's hard" is a reason not to do it. There are many ways to solve the problem. The Firefox implementation is not nearly the best this feature can be. Tons of cool stuff can be done here. :) On the IE webdev toolbar: I have used it. I found it not nearly as polished as Firebug. On Firebug slowing down Firefox: I have found Firefox in general to slow to a crawl after a day or two. Leaky. But i admit i haven't tried without Firebug installed. On the Find pane: I agree, I should have had it in there. It's simply better. On Roaming Favorites in IE: I don't think "delicious" is a serious answer to this request. No disrespect to delicious. I'm not looking for a favorite sharing service. I want a seamlessly integrated favorite roaming service. I really appreciate all the comments…

On Session Restore:

With all due respect, I don’t think “it’s hard” is a reason not to do it. There are many ways to solve the problem. The Firefox implementation is not nearly the best this feature can be. Tons of cool stuff can be done here. :)

On the IE webdev toolbar:

I have used it. I found it not nearly as polished as Firebug.

On Firebug slowing down Firefox:

I have found Firefox in general to slow to a crawl after a day or two. Leaky. But i admit i haven’t tried without Firebug installed.

On the Find pane:

I agree, I should have had it in there. It’s simply better.

On Roaming Favorites in IE:

I don’t think “delicious” is a serious answer to this request. No disrespect to delicious. I’m not looking for a favorite sharing service. I want a seamlessly integrated favorite roaming service.

]]> By: Eric LeVine http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45843 Eric LeVine Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:09:01 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45843 Hillel, The one feature that consistently keeps me in FireFox instead of IE7 is the modeless CTRL+F experience. I guess I do a lot of searching within pages, and the modal IE Search dialog just sucks, always loses context etc. BTW, FireBug is cool, but I think I need a new laptop. With FireBug running my FireFox slowed to a crawl. I had to disable it to get reasonable performance. Hillel,

The one feature that consistently keeps me in FireFox instead of IE7 is the modeless CTRL+F experience. I guess I do a lot of searching within pages, and the modal IE Search dialog just sucks, always loses context etc.

BTW, FireBug is cool, but I think I need a new laptop. With FireBug running my FireFox slowed to a crawl. I had to disable it to get reasonable performance.

]]> By: jeffdav http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45840 jeffdav Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:51:59 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45840 Restore Your Session: We looked at doing this when we developed the Tabbed Browsing feature. It's harder to get right than you would think. For example, do you load your home page tab group or the previously viewed tab group? Do you persist pop-up windows? Etc. IE is used in such a wide variety of scenarios and different ways by different users, you end up "getting it wrong" according to half of them no matter what you do. Rather than deliver a crappy experiance in IE7, this was cut. Google Sync: Roaming favorites is a perrenial IE feature that gets cut. Delicious exists for a reason. :) Firebug: Allow me to present The IE Developer Toolbar: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/01/09/ie-developer-toolbar-beta-3-now-available.aspx. It does somethings better than firebug, and some things worse. Its still Beta, implying there is more to work to come. I use it all the time and it works pretty well. Has some UI quirks that piss me off. Restore Your Session: We looked at doing this when we developed the Tabbed Browsing feature. It’s harder to get right than you would think. For example, do you load your home page tab group or the previously viewed tab group? Do you persist pop-up windows? Etc. IE is used in such a wide variety of scenarios and different ways by different users, you end up “getting it wrong” according to half of them no matter what you do. Rather than deliver a crappy experiance in IE7, this was cut.

Google Sync: Roaming favorites is a perrenial IE feature that gets cut. Delicious exists for a reason. :)

Firebug: Allow me to present The IE Developer Toolbar: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/01/09/ie-developer-toolbar-beta-3-now-available.aspx. It does somethings better than firebug, and some things worse. Its still Beta, implying there is more to work to come. I use it all the time and it works pretty well. Has some UI quirks that piss me off.

]]> By: Jakob http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45833 Jakob Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:22 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45833 Regarding "Firebug for IE": Do you know the IE Web Developer Toolbar? It can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=E59C3964-672D-4511-BB3E-2D5E1DB91038&displaylang=en It is a mixture of firebug, the DOM Inspector and the "Web Developer" addon in Firefox. I find it quite useful. Regarding “Firebug for IE”: Do you know the IE Web Developer Toolbar? It can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=E59C3964-672D-4511-BB3E-2D5E1DB91038&displaylang=en

It is a mixture of firebug, the DOM Inspector and the “Web Developer” addon in Firefox. I find it quite useful.

]]> By: Hillel http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45816 Hillel Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:20:09 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45816 Thanks for the tips. It's true i can double click on the space next to the tabs for a new one. It's also true that while not-discoverable, the lack of a button does lessen the clutter. That said, I think I'd still opt for the button as my tab area is always full. No blank space to double-click in. And yes, I can and do use my keyboard. But some people are keyboard folks, and some people are mouse folks. The real problem (as Rodeo Clown mentions) is still the location where new tabs spawn. Even right-clicking to spawn a new tab from an existing one will place the new one all the way to the right (and off screen) if your tabs already span the width of the screen. Thanks for the tips. It’s true i can double click on the space next to the tabs for a new one. It’s also true that while not-discoverable, the lack of a button does lessen the clutter. That said, I think I’d still opt for the button as my tab area is always full. No blank space to double-click in. And yes, I can and do use my keyboard. But some people are keyboard folks, and some people are mouse folks.

The real problem (as Rodeo Clown mentions) is still the location where new tabs spawn. Even right-clicking to spawn a new tab from an existing one will place the new one all the way to the right (and off screen) if your tabs already span the width of the screen.

]]> By: RodeoClown http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45814 RodeoClown Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:32:23 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45814 I totally agree with firefox putting the new tabs right next to the one you just opened. I hate having to go hunting for the tab I just opened (I know it's at the end, but if I've got 20 tabs open, I don't want to go scrolling to find it). (Also - if you double-click on the empty space next to the tabs in FF, it opens a new tab). I totally agree with firefox putting the new tabs right next to the one you just opened. I hate having to go hunting for the tab I just opened (I know it’s at the end, but if I’ve got 20 tabs open, I don’t want to go scrolling to find it).

(Also - if you double-click on the empty space next to the tabs in FF, it opens a new tab).

]]> By: Dugald Wilson http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45811 Dugald Wilson Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:52:14 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45811 I don't know if FireFox needs a button to click for adding new tabs. You can right click in the tab section, and the first option in the context-menu is to create a new tab. An even better alternative is just typing Ctrl-T! I don’t know if FireFox needs a button to click for adding new tabs. You can right click in the tab section, and the first option in the context-menu is to create a new tab. An even better alternative is just typing Ctrl-T!

]]> By: Yokel http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45810 Yokel Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:44:49 +0000 http://www.jacksonfish.com/blog/2007/10/11/firefox-and-internet-explorer/#comment-45810 In response to "Firefox please copy the fact that IE: * has a button to the right of the rightmost tab to create a new tab. This is logical and helpful. Firefox could use this." Just double click in the space where you want the tab, presto, new tab. (Good you have to have at least 2 tabs open ... Personally I just Cntrl+T) (Just found your site. Looks lovely; I'll poke around if you don't mind). In response to “Firefox please copy the fact that IE:
* has a button to the right of the rightmost tab to create a new tab. This is logical and helpful. Firefox could use this.”

Just double click in the space where you want the tab, presto, new tab. (Good you have to have at least 2 tabs open … Personally I just Cntrl+T)

(Just found your site. Looks lovely; I’ll poke around if you don’t mind).

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